عمل دراسه علميه طبيه في عمان - المانيا . جراح التجميل والتقويم / عماني

[fun6azio]

السلام عليكم

اريد عمل دراسه علميه طبيه في موضوع جراحي
فمن يجد في نفسه الرغبه والجديه سواء كان طالبا او طبيبا فليتواصل معي على الخاص
يحبذ من لديه معلومات في SPSSوالاحصاء الطبيه

انا اعلم كيفيه عمل البحث وممكن اشرف على طبيب او حتى طالب مبتديء واعلمه الاسس ولكن لا اريد التعامل مع كسلان
الامر قد يطول الى سنه من جمع المعلومات وكتابات الى مؤسسات حكوميه من وزارة الصحه او الشرطه او خدمات الاحصاء او او او
سنرى من نحتاج في طريقنا ونعمل تلقائيا



لا استطيع الجمع بين دولتين وانا في المانيا

انا هدفي ارفع من مستواي الاكاديمي بهذه البحوث واخذ PHD ولهذا يجب ان نتعب في هذا البحث

فهل هناك من يجد في نفسه هذه الصفات ؟؟


جراح التجميل والتقويم / عماني

[علي النعيمي]

دايماً مبدع دكتورنا ..
يعطيك العافيه ..

[ام سلطان الحارثي]

الله يوفقك يارب

[hamdez]

هلا كتورنا
ممكن توضيح اكثر؟

[الطارق ابن ماء السماء]

أرسل أصلا بواسطة fun6azio

السلام عليكم

اريد عمل دراسه علميه طبيه في موضوع جراحي
فمن يجد في نفسه الرغبه والجديه سواء كان طالبا او طبيبا فليتواصل معي على الخاص
يحبذ من لديه معلومات في SPSSوالاحصاء الطبيه

انا اعلم كيفيه عمل البحث وممكن اشرف على طبيب او حتى طالب مبتديء واعلمه الاسس ولكن لا اريد التعامل مع كسلان
الامر قد يطول الى سنه من جمع المعلومات وكتابات الى مؤسسات حكوميه من وزارة الصحه او الشرطه او خدمات الاحصاء او او او
سنرى من نحتاج في طريقنا ونعمل تلقائيا


كل التوفيق


لا استطيع الجمع بين دولتين وانا في المانيا

انا هدفي ارفع من مستواي الاكاديمي بهذه البحوث واخذ PHD ولهذا يجب ان نتعب في هذا البحث

فهل هناك من يجد في نفسه هذه الصفات ؟؟


جراح التجميل والتقويم / عماني

استخدمت نظام spss 18.0
اذا اردت مساعده في ذلك تواصل معي

لكن ما علاقه نظام الspss ليكون من ظمن الحوافز... لانه مجرد نظام لتحليل النتائج فقط


عموما مثل ما قال حمدز الموضوع مبهم بين انك تريد ان تقوم ببحث
او تريد ان تشرف على طلاب يقومون ببحث

[fun6azio]

Salam

I Want to make a clinical Study
starting with Thesis Work

On Surgico-Medical problem based Data Collection and Observation in 2 Different Countries
Oman - Germany

The Research Question and Protocol will Guide Our Search in the coming year.

Nawadays, making researches is as important as doing surgeries.

There are certain things a doctor father ( RESEARCH SUPERVISOR LOOK IN A STUDY
like how big is the sample , how good was the study protocol followed and what was search criteria and methodology

WAS THE SEARCH QUESTION ANSWERED AT THE END OR NOT
depending on all this one is awarded a further title like Dr.Dr.Fun6azio
double dr

or Professor.Dr.Fun6azio
and if u r hard researcher u can get the extreme
Professor. Dr.Dr.Fun6azio
and like that

these titles are awarded according to the importance of ur work
example

if ur study question is

Is Ultraviolet ray B causing more sundamage related Malignant melanoma in Oman and Germany

here are some factors in the study which makes it very important to all the plastic surgeons and dermatologists and oncologists ..As Oman is more sunny then Germany
but the germans have more fair skin and colored eyes and hair

so when searching on these criterias it will be a very big thing and one needs to do only one study to get the PHD
but the problem with this it needs pateint follow up for years like 20 years

I dont have that much time

I want to do smaller study of weight and get my titles with less work

but still Thesis work not Assay

One can Do Assay in 2 days with internet only
and publish it after the approval of the medical board
and u need 20 or more small assays to get ur title

which is again a headache as the sittings for discussions are going to take very long time

So, here I opened up my reasons
for the people who sent me messages in the private and to the ones who wrote in the original topic

Salam

[hamdez]

Hi
So do you want volunteer in different aspects of specialties to work as team and you are the team leader

[سكايب عطر]

awesome ... .. this is an excellent opportunity for senior med students , interns and junior Drs

i would love to be part of it but am in the country for few more wks

good luck

[fun6azio]

أرسل أصلا بواسطة hamdez

Hi
So do you want volunteer in different aspects of specialties to work as team and you are the team leader

Yes dear Colligue

My name will be the first name in the paper as per the rule of the medical board where I am, planning to submit the study

So, I will teach any body who will gather Us me and my team the infomation and will write his name in the study

His Majesty wants us to be Pioneers and famous and beyond time. To publish and be Creative

I will teach any body who will come with us how to do that. Together we can make a difference
At least we try

Taking the sablah as point of start is going to be mentioned in the study too
if the administraion agreed otherwise we will do it all alon. by e mails
or we do it in the open so every body learns how to do medical studies

salam

[fun6azio]

أرسل أصلا بواسطة سكايب عطر

awesome ... .. this is an excellent opportunity for senior med students , interns and junior Drs

i would love to be part of it but am in the country for few more wks

good luck

hi

I know U
U will be a great help .. How long are u staying in Oman

[fun6azio]

أرسل أصلا بواسطة الطارق ابن ماء السماء

استخدمت نظام spss 18.0
اذا اردت مساعده في ذلك تواصل معي

لكن ما علاقه نظام الspss ليكون من ظمن الحوافز... لانه مجرد نظام لتحليل النتائج فقط


عموما مثل ما قال حمدز الموضوع مبهم بين انك تريد ان تقوم ببحث
او تريد ان تشرف على طلاب يقومون ببحث

This is not going to be the first study for me
&
it is not going to be the last
Inshallah

Team work is Important
I worked with colligues from different hospitals

I write their names ( even if they dont do any thing ) and they write mine (Even if I dident Do any thing )

so together we go up by increasing our publications
if I wrok with u - be sure ur name will be mentioned in my studies even if u dont help me with THAT PARTICULAR STUDY
I await u do the same for me if u did a study

this trick is followed all over the world

SPSS if not needed in this study - be sure we will need in the next
Medical Life is to Make yourself - Your name well known
so more people will seek u and u can help more and more

SPSS and Biostatistics will definitely help
as it is the best method for Data gathering and analysis


Each medical - Acedemic Institute has a rule of the number of studies submitted for a degree to be awarded.
we will see how to go on this one

salam

[hamdez]

أرسل أصلا بواسطة fun6azio

Yes dear Colligue

My name will be the first name in the paper as per the rule of the medical board where I am, planning to submit the study

So, I will teach any body who will gather Us me and my team the infomation and will write his name in the study

His Majesty wants us to be Pioneers and famous and beyond time. To publish and be Creative

I will teach any body who will come with us how to do that. Together we can make a difference
At least we try

Taking the sablah as point of start is going to be mentioned in the study too
if the administraion agreed otherwise we will do it all alon. by e mails
or we do it in the open so every body learns how to do medical studies

salam

It is a nice opportunity to do something like that I don’t know if I can help you or not but we can discuss in between.
I am a radiographer and I am working in khoulah hospital and now I am in Edinburgh I don’t know if you know me or we have meet before.
I am happy to be part in your study but i have 1 more year to go here.

[hobbit]

I don't normally contribute to forum discussions unless necessary but in this occasion I feel obliged for the sake of the junior and non-experienced colleagues.

First of all, this is not the way to go about organising research and while what fun6azio has written may sound great and motivating to some juniors, it actually sounds very amateurish to say the least.

Secondly and more importantly, getting involved in research requires a great deal of ethical integrity and honesty. I am disappointed to see a doctor who may be a future colleague admits fraud by having his name put on work he hasn't contributed to and not only that he is now trying to pass on his poor standards to Oman's future doctors. Yes, some doctors do put their names on articles they have not contributed to but no self-respecting doctor would do.

To all the bright and ambitious junior colleagues in Oman and abroad, research and creativity have no boundaries and if you are interested get involved with the right people, talk to your senior colleagues and supervisors and certainly don't sell your honesty to feed your attention-seeking desire.

Best wishes to all.

[fun6azio]

أرسل أصلا بواسطة hobbit

I don't normally contribute unless necessary but in this occasion I feel obliged for the sake of the junior and non-experienced colleagues.

First of all, this is not the way to go about organising research and while what fun6azio has written may sound great and motivating to some juniors, it actually sounds very amateurish to say the least.

Secondly and more importantly, getting involved in research requires a great deal of ethical integrity and honesty. I am disappointed to see a doctor who may be a future colleague admits fraud by having his name put on work he hasn't contributed to and not only that he is now trying to pass on his poor standards to Oman's future doctors. Yes, some doctors do put their names on articles they have not contributed to but no self-respecting doctor would do.

To all the bright and ambitious junior colleagues in Oman and abroad, research and creativity have no boundaries and if you are interested get involved with the right people, talk to your senior colleagues and supervisors and certainly don't sell your honesty to feed your attention-seeking desire.

Best wishes to all.

U have 2 points
1- That doing a study like this is Ameture because .....U dident mention

The answer :
If I do a studyon pateints and their personal life data like their Ages, their weight , their special treatmeent then i will need to get a Ethical board approval.
Today about 30 minutes a go i was speaking with my Chief about this.
So this point is already thought of

2- being dishonest in Studies
Ur Name as a main worker on the study is always mentioned as the first name
THAT IS A FACT
the second name till the last is Number
not important for the board
it is important for the person who helped as he can add and make his CV better and trust me when i tell u U GET ACCEPTED IN VERY GOOD PLACES AND INSTITUTES WITH JUST UR NAME MENTIONED

I will Never mention a name whom i know is not active .and who dosent do medical research
So, Dyshonesty is not really is Valid here
IT IS CLEARLY
U HELP ME I HELP U AND AS TEAM WE RISE

further more the point that u stressed over all in ur writing
IT IS AN OPPERTUNITY FOR THE FELLOW MEDICAL WORKERS TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE IN HOW TO DO MEDICAL TRIALS

WHATS SO WRONG IN THAT

[fun6azio]

i SAY IT AGAIN SO WE R CLEAR IN THIS
The first name in the study means that he had the biggest hand in the study
and only this name will be discussed in the study discussion board

the second name till the last name has no role in the board
it means that they helped
there is no rule of HOW
so it is NOT A FRAUD OR DYSHONESTY

[fun6azio]

unless somebody comes up with a rule saying that the second name or the third or the last name has to do some thing more then a telephone call and permission to put his name in the study, then please remain quite


Some people put the names of very famous doctors as the second or third to make more weight in their study .. it dosent mean that they were dyshonet

or DOES IT !!

[hobbit]

أرسل أصلا بواسطة fun6azio

Team work is Important
I worked with colligues from different hospitals

I write their names ( even if they dont do any thing ) and they write mine (Even if I dident Do any thing )

so together we go up by increasing our publications
if I wrok with u - be sure ur name will be mentioned in my studies even if u dont help me with THAT PARTICULAR STUDY
I await u do the same for me if u did a study


salam

I'll just quote your words for you to read and think about again.

[الطارق ابن ماء السماء]

أرسل أصلا بواسطة fun6azio

This is not going to be the first study for me
&
it is not going to be the last
Inshallah

Team work is Important
I worked with colligues from different hospitals

I write their names ( even if they dont do any thing ) and they write mine (Even if I dident Do any thing )

so together we go up by increasing our publications
if I wrok with u - be sure ur name will be mentioned in my studies even if u dont help me with THAT PARTICULAR STUDY
I await u do the same for me if u did a study

this trick is followed all over the world

SPSS if not needed in this study - be sure we will need in the next
Medical Life is to Make yourself - Your name well known
so more people will seek u and u can help more and more

SPSS and Biostatistics will definitely help
as it is the best method for Data gathering and analysis


Each medical - Acedemic Institute has a rule of the number of studies submitted for a degree to be awarded.
we will see how to go on this one

salam

fun6azio

I did not ask you about how many research have you done and what is your future plan,
and to let you know I did conduct research before, but still not published as I have just finished it,

,Now this is big sham... actually whatever you said, I really feel sad that you do that frequently between you and your friends,,,,, respectful organisation and individuals will never do that, and to let you know in our organisation none of us do what you do over there, so please do not generalised thing you do over there to all researchers, do not spoil our work by saying such things



I love my name to be printed on thing that I did, not what other did

spss used only to analysis data to to collect data


good luck not interested .,

[fun6azio]

أرسل أصلا بواسطة hobbit

I'll just quote your words for you to read and think about again.

I saw it and I understand clearly what u mean

But i m seeing u dont want to understand what i said

I will finish my study inshallah no problems

[fun6azio]

أرسل أصلا بواسطة الطارق ابن ماء السماء

fun6azio

I did not ask you about how many research have you done and what is your future plan,
and to let you know I did conduct research before, but still not published as I have just finished it,

,Now this is big sham... actually whatever you said, I really feel sad that you do that frequently between you and your friends,,,,, respectful organisation and individuals will never do that, and to let you know in our organisation none of us do what you do over there, so please do not generalised thing you do over there to all researchers, do not spoil our work by saying such things



I love my name to be printed on thing that I did, not what other did

spss used only to analysis data to to collect data


good luck not interested .,

I never said u r beginer or a junior
I asked for help
cz I said I need team Work
if not intrested it is ur loss
Thanx for ur time Colligue

Away from all the hocus pocus
DID U WRITE UR CHIEFS NAME IN THE RESEARCH U DID OR NOT

IF YES - THEN UR WORDS BACK AT U
IF NOT

THEN UR REASEARCH IS FAILURE

DO u Understand me now

there are certain things u have to do in order to make ur search a success

some names have to be mentioned - it is just like that - and some names can not even if they helped with a word

Example,
I did a small assay on usage of Doxycycline in dressings as a cream to monitor wound healing

went to Dr.Burger - the father of the german plastic surgery
he is retierd
Asked him he answered me in words

Now in my references of the study i couldent mention his name as a reference with dates
just because one of the supervisors in the discussion pannel dosent like him
and I want my study to be approved
afcourse i appologised to the dear dr

but thats the way it is

Researches are accepted like this till I am Some body then it is going to be different
but till I need others i have to follow their rules

Do u understand

THERE IS NO RULE

>Please we r Talking sceintific
if U have some thing to add give me an example and say no i m wrong
other wise u showed me clearly u r not intrested ..
thats all

again just smile and calm down
I asked u in the clear and told u in the open and wrote every thing so all can read
and judge
I dident hide

salam Coligue

[fun6azio]

love the discussion
thanx for hobbit , tariq for discussing even if it was negative

[الطارق ابن ماء السماء]

أرسل أصلا بواسطة fun6azio

I never said u r beginer or a junior
I asked for help
cz I said I need team Work
if not intrested it is ur loss
Thanx for ur time Colligue

Away from all the hocus pocus
DID U WRITE UR CHIEFS NAME IN THE RESEARCH U DID OR NOT

IF YES - THEN UR WORDS BACK AT U
IF NOT

THEN UR REASEARCH IS FAILURE

DO u Understand me now

there are certain things u have to do in order to make ur search a success

some names have to be mentioned - it is just like that - and some names can not even if they helped with a word

Example,
I did a small assay on usage of Doxycycline in dressings as a cream to monitor wound healing

went to Dr.Burger - the father of the german plastic surgery
he is retierd
Asked him he answered me in words

Now in my references of the study i couldent mention his name as a reference with dates
just because one of the supervisors in the discussion pannel dosent like him
and I want my study to be approved
afcourse i appologised to the dear dr

but thats the way it is

Researches are accepted like this till I am Some body then it is going to be different
but till I need others i have to follow their rules

Do u understand

THERE IS NO RULE

>Please we r Talking sceintific
if U have some thing to add give me an example and say no i m wrong
other wise u showed me clearly u r not intrested ..
thats all

again just smile and calm down
I asked u in the clear and told u in the open and wrote every thing so all can read
and judge
I dident hide

salam Coligue

Actually i tried to understand what you have wrote and link it to my earlier post but unfortunately I failed on that ,
lot of grammar and spelling mistake make awkward to be understood

anyway list go back to the core point

you said

أرسل أصلا بواسطة fun6azio

I write their names ( even if they dont do any thing ) and they write mine (Even if I dident Do any thing )

I just want to say in research adding people name to a study despite if they did not contributed to study is unacceptable.
It will make you look like you are willing to do other things,,, eg playing with results.

There are other who contribute to the study
such as clinicians who take outcome measure or help you with statistic and you still do not put them as authors,
just to thank them in the acknowledgment

In your example

أرسل أصلا بواسطة fun6azio

I
Example,
I did a small assay on usage of Doxycycline in dressings as a cream to monitor wound healing
went to Dr.Burger - the father of the german plastic surgery
he is retierd
Asked him he answered me in words
Now in my references of the study i couldent mention his name as a reference with dates
just because one of the supervisors in the discussion pannel dosent like him
and I want my study to be approved
afcourse i appologised to the dear dr
but thats the way it is

Is it essay or study?
I don’t know about German culture but in the UK, I would surprised if one does not like other
would make a problem if you referenced him in your essay.

I do have problem with one of the lecturer (we don’t like each other),
she marked one of my assignment and i score as usual,,
she will not be able to harm me simple because I can appeal against her marking if she did so

best wishes

[fun6azio]

Dr.Tariq

Thank you for ur reply and Explaining my Grammer mistakes
I m typing with a german Keyboard I hope I dident cause u trouble


So, back to the point

I also dont know about the UK methodology
But in almost all of the world there are things done under the table which u r ordered to do if u want ur research to pass

As i said - mentioning ur chiefs name is one of it even he dident do any thing
I m still waiting for ur answer in this

In germany the Chief is every thing - He can Pass u ..he can fail u simply by not giving u the approval .
U have to do as he says ...

S I M P L E

[fun6azio]

are there any more objections .. please come forward

Who advices me even in negative is a good point
we can discuss
As I said I m still young and un experianced so ur positive or negative feedback will always help me


about the study
as I said are 2 types

Assay and Thesis
the difference as I rememeber per the rules
is
Assay is when u take other studies and depend on them and search for an answer to ur questions
No need to go to alot of pateints .. but u might still need the numbers
example again about the Ultraviolet ray B causing Melanoma in Oman compared to germany

and we search the factors like blue eyes of germans and white complexity comparing it to the dark Omani skin and rate of cancer
based on studies done previously
this needs 2 Complete days in on Internet with FUll studies and data gathering

then sit down and do ur analysis
and come to a conclusion

publish ur results

Thesis is Mostly a new topic or research
U need to work harder and follow up pateints for results
so it is valued more and has more weight in the publications

so, thats all

salam

[باحث عن الحق]

شي طيب ..لله يوفقك
صورة جميلة هاذا انت فيها .....؟
بس عن طيح صديقي

[fun6azio]

أرسل أصلا بواسطة باحث عن الحق

شي طيب ..لله يوفقك
صورة جميلة هاذا انت فيها .....؟
بس عن طيح صديقي

جزاك الله خير على الدعاء والثناء

لا اخي لست انا - ولكني اريد هذه المنزله في علمي ووجدت الصورة معبره عن ما بداخلي

والان انا في الثلث الاول من الجبل احاول الصعود

اشكر مرورك

جراح التجميل والتقويم / عماني

[وردة الحنين]

Good evening Dr

oooh it will be a great work if u get contributers and support
it is interesting

I can see above hot discussion between u and colleagues
wishing u all the best

Regards

[fun6azio]

أرسل أصلا بواسطة وردة الحنين

Good evening Dr

oooh it will be a great work if u get contributers and support
it is interesting

I can see above hot discussion between u and colleagues
wishing u all the best

Regards

Good Evening Haneen

Thanx for the lovely gesture

Yes discussion was also Valid at that point
and I thank them for raising their questions
as I said it was a good discussion - But i still know they r not convinced of what i said

May be they dident face yet any troubles with their studies
TILL NOW

I hope it continues for the best for them all and U too

salam dear